Something of a polymath his interests range through languages, architecture, illustration, writing, photography, Hebrew studies, hands on construction and the fine arts in general. Jacousky is beaver like in his dedication to whatever happens to occupy his interest at any given time.
As and interior architect Richard has a comprehensive repertoire of creations from commercial to private enterprises. What makes him notable is how his visions translate across media and modes of expression as seen in his photography and illustrations for example. Richard is also a very fascinating interlocutor with whom I have had many wonderful conversations. In that spirit I am hoping that the following conversation will prove as fruitful.
OK Richard I am going to start with a somewhat mundane sounding opener but like the proverbial vacuum salesman’s foot in the door, I suspect my question will open a kind of aesthetic sesame for this conversation to launch. So here it is: I know that you like to take imaginatively composed photographs when out and about in the Irish environs but can you say what it is about Ireland that has made you want to stay for the time being at least?
Hay David! The whole complexity of factors influences simple fact that someone lives in one or another geographical place. The perfectly good and also difficult factors overlap each other. This condition is affected by the past, the present and the dream about what it will look like tomorrow. Perfectly good in Ireland is proximity of the natural landscape, the sea, hills, coastal cliffs, rocky and sandy beaches. All easy to explore in spare time, good for family walks ...if stops raining. You know what I mean, as there is less sunny time now. I constantly discover pieces of old architecture. City buildings in Dublin are a brilliant source for understanding craft and technology, what was created in Ireland and Great Britain and meshed with the culture of building/living in other English-speaking countries. Rural architecture, simplicity and practicality, and locally sourced materials are also very inspiring. I have lived here for fifteen years and the social issues, homeless crisis, diversity of society is more clear to me. This allows for deeper understanding what people say and how they react that or other way. As you know I have not enough time for reading Irish writers now, trying to finalize the prototype of the small sustainable building. To reduce all what I said to one statement ... I am busy and don't feel bored in Ireland. Do you feel any similarity in your experience of living in Japan?
I met an interesting man once who spent many years in Japan. I asked him what he thought of the country and he replied rather dryly by saying “The Japanese aren’t philosophical “. After living here for 4+ years I understand what he meant. Regarding boredom it’s something I rarely feel even in the most tedious of circumstances.
You mention the proverbial Irish rain which I have always loved. I miss the gloom and the grey that palters the underlying complexity that is Irish disconsolateness in general. It's a rich source for artistry of the wretched that has yielded remarkable beauty of expression across all the idioms in the Irish narrative I believe.
Can you draw any parallels with your native Poland when considering the kinds of influences that you have mentioned about Irish and British architecture etc? Also could you contextualize this in light of craft and technology that you have referred to? I find the positioning of the notions of craft and technology to be very interesting given that, on the face of it, many perceive technology as the usurper of craft.
From one point, across centuries architecture of Poland has been established under influence of the other cultural centers. Migrating Cistercian monks were rising Gothic temples, king's wife imported renaissance masters from Italy, the builders and craftsmen have learn of French Baroque and Austrian Classicism and Art Nouveau, German Modernism and Russian soc-realism has influenced creators of the first part of 20 century. Other hand it was multicultural area of migrating tradesmen or the battlefield used by influential empires like Germany, France, Sweden, Russia. All this mess created in result a deeply interesting diversity of styles. Compare to Ireland as a land surrounded by water, with strong neighborhood of England, Huguenots escaping from France, artifacts came from British colonial exploration ...well Ireland looks to me stylistically more clear and consistent or just aesthetically different to Poland. But in fact, because I like brick work, stone, wooden structures, sculptures, I can find the same in both this countries.
Working on detail of modern steel balustrade, I was explaining with excitement to my boss, how we can connect two sheets of 10mm steel by laser cut joints. My boss suggested to calm down, as the craftsman completing this job is famous rather from making metal gates for farmers. I hope it illustrates enough, what is a technology, and what is a craft in Ireland.
When reading your last reply I was reminded of the famous lines “Thank god we're surrounded by water” from the famous song by Dominic Behan. I suspect that the same water bolstered Irish eccentricity when it came to how we interpret foreign influences. One instance that comes to mind is how Irish monks of old interpreted mainland European Gothic architecture as they translated it in the construction of Irish monastic structures complete with Sheela Na Gigs adorning their entrances. There is I believe a very independent spirit in the way the Irish reinterpret foreign memes and Gaelify them. In Irish art landscape plays a big part, or rather I should say the lonely landscape. Have you noticed any of what I am saying when observing the aesthetic differences to Poland that you refer to?
You also make interesting references like the arrival of the Huguenots in Ireland who eventually yielded worthy cultural contributors like Richard Gandon the architect who designed The Four Courts and artists like Gabriel Béranger and George Victor Du Noyer.While Gandon is still pretty well known the later artists mentioned are more obscure but notable nonetheless.Heritage is obviously very important and it seems to be a source of inspiration for you when I look at your photographs and design work. Your enthusiasm about connecting sheets of steel as opposed to a background tradition of steel gate production for farmers is amusing.Yet I know from previous conversations with you that you have a deep reverence for tradition and craftsmanship in general as a grounding for innovative creative design. What if any traditions do you consider important?
Yes, the observation of Irish Sea or Atlantic Ocean from the line coast during the walk can be quite hypnotic. I can stay dozen of minutes in catatonic pose, in appreciation of the landscape view [LINK] . Can you show your paintings inspired by the sea?
I can try to proof some similarities between both countries. Romanesque and Gothic monuments in Poland, and Victorian brick details of Dublin buildings [LINK] . No wonder, it is known where the architects of 19th century came from. If to compare Irish Gothic ruins with buildings of the same period in Poland [LINK] , it is clear that the stone was the main construction material on the island that time. Very profound and original craft, beautiful ornaments contrasted with the minimalist simplicity of stone blocks [LINK].
Ha, ha, Richard. I cannot show my paintings of the sea or any other because this interview is about you. While we are on the subject I would love you to show our readers some of those beautiful line drawings you used to post on social media a while back. They made very clever use of the visual pun.
Am I correct in supposing that St. Jacob Church - Romanesque brickwork, Sandomierz, Poland was constructed circa 1260, because it could easily be mistaken as 19th century Victorian Brickwork which in the British Isles at least was relatively new technology in the eighteen hundred’s when mass production of redbrick was possible on an industrial scale? I know in many of your design projects you have used brickwork. Have you been influenced in any way by those 13th century structures you referenced here?
oh come on David! You can show what you want. The interview formula is not written on the stone :)
Yes, the building in Sandomierz was one of the first made of clay brick, built in the area of Poland, AD 1260. Victorian era, industrialization, making something faster, on bigger scale, it is one thing, as you noticed. What interest me in brick building ideas is multiplied Lego block. Small element carried by one man which can be multiplied to large scale building structure. Brick is not complicated regarding transportation aspect. Isn't it just very clever? Have you ever tried to bricklaying something? It is worth to do experience.
Please find one of my sketches here. I hope it is not too dark.
As it so happens, when I was in college back in the ‘80’s I used to build structures that were made of wood and brick. Unfortunately, I no longer have a photograph of them but they consisted of towers constructed from wood that stood about 2.5 meters tall that were surrounded by brick walls which I constructed. When the towers were completed I used to set them on fire with a torch. It was reminiscent of the ritual of the Wickerman in pagan Britain. My towers were all about order/chaos, birth/death, creation/destruction and in hindsight I think they were also about the idea of offerings/sacrifice. At the time my interests included the occult, cosmology and the new physics. I was interested in aesthetically unifying these notions in some kind of quasi ritualistic and aesthetic manner. One of my solutions was the burning tower whose ashes were encompassed by the surrounding brick wall like a kind of Neolithic burial ground.
But I have digressed talking about myself instead of focusing on you. I love your illustrations and especially when you make use of the visual pun. I love the implied narrative and tragic fate of the birds. I can help but wonder where this chronicle of avian catastrophe is seeded (pun unintended) in your imagination. In short where does such an idea originate from in your mind/experience? And can you post some more of those illustrations for the benefit and enjoyment of our readers.
Horror movie The Wicker Man has based the story on pagan rituals and conspiracy relationships in an hermetic community. I'm an ignorant about occultism, however I did photographic session in Freemason's Hall in Dublin, impressed by their original symbolism. From the closer reality, every year I observe bonfires from the distance, during Halloween time in Palmerstown and Ballyfermot. I have registered some of them on my photos, ... see below. I am definitely in favor of respect for the natural environment and compliance with fire safety regulations. Nevertheless, from very early youth I remember the excitement when observing a burning dust bin set in fire by some uncivilized kid, ...and intervening firefighter brigade.
Regarding my sketches, it was a form of entertainment when I was working on projects from home office. It was a time when some people struggling with unpaid mortgage were loosing houses, and also drama of refugees were began. As I am an immigrant as well, it is easier for compassion. Missing shelter, insecurity and lost belonging don't close the topic and giving single answer. Any chance that those sketches open some universal questions ...who we are and where we go?
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The notion of bonfire resonates for me. As a child I participated in the creation of such infernos with my friends. We would spend all year collecting combustible materials, mainly car tires and even engaged in tribal wars with other groups of boys from across town to raid their stash of tires. It was all very primitive and Neolithic now when I think about it. My later ritual burning of sculptures certainly emerged from these archetypes.
Your sketches to me are “shocking”, as in, they possess the total element of surprise, “The shock of the New” to coin the phrase after the famous TV art history series by the same name presented by [LINK]Robert Hughes.
I love their ergonomic simplicity and use for near continuous line. Its as if you had conceived exactly what you intended a priori. Yet they seem so extemporaneous in their execution? Can you say something as to how they come about in your mind? Personally, my own experience when endeavoring to produce something creative be it a poem, painting or story that initially I have no idea what I am about to do and the end result is a total surprise to me. That’s the fun and magic in the process. The act of creation is like a dialogue between me and the work at hand. I make a gesture and the work responds in kind to shape itself into what it will become. Do you have a similar experience or is the process different for you?
I love your sketches!
Have you ever been in contact with your ''tribal'' friends after few decades passed? Interesting how the life paths of kids ''who use to burn the tyres'' have evolved.
You are very kind about my sketches. Thank you.
There is probably some automatism in creative process of making sketches. I can easy visualize pictures and shapes in my minds. I am only presuming images comes from my memory as I use to watch a lot of art, visiting museums and galleries. In the area I lived as very young child I remember cinema/theatre poster board displaying 16 - 20 posters. There was always something new visually attractive. Have you ever heard about Polish School of Poster? Instead of nowadays photos of well paid actors there have been showing the masterpieces of art, symbols and metaphors expressing intellectual contain and message of movie or theatre play. Have a look...
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I've learnt about clean line during study on Academy of Fine Arts in Cracow. My unachievable master of linear drawing is still Tadeusz Kulisiewicz:
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by the way, I am shocked how cheaply were auctioned that all masterpieces. It is a shame!
I like also Roland Topor works as an example of surrealistic metaphor presented on drawing, and Zbigniew Jujka as an author of satirical drawings.
Yes, I have kept in touch or should I say resumed contact after decades of absence with some of my tribal braves. One of them I chat with every six months or so is now working laying subway rail lines under the streets of New York. A strange occupation indeed or as he put it, “The Irish are still building Railways in America “. What I find interesting about meeting old acquaintances decades later is how little they have fundamentally changed in character. Yes, their circumstances will have changed or they might have realized previous potentials but their essential nature will not have altered at all. People are very predictable in that way, but they are interesting all the same, the unfolding narrative of their antics.
I hadn’t heard about the Polish School of Poster so thank you for introducing it to me. I am reminded looking at the examples you linked to just how rich a visually art tradition that exists in Poland. We don’t really have as fertile a tradition in Ireland. We are more a nation of story tellers and purveyors of the written word. Why is it do you think Poland has such a visual disposition?
Thank you for the Tadeusz Kulisiewicz link too. I hadn't heard of this artist either.My personal favorite for line and splash drawings is [LINK]Ralph Steadman, especially his Alice in wonderland drawings from the 1980s.
You said that when you are illustrating you envisage the total idea in your mind and then draw. Do you do the same when designing an architectural layout? Perhaps you could show us some of your conceptual sketches?
Yes, one of the keys of understanding Irish culture is tradition of storytellers. Before the era of radio, tv and internet the storytellers used to walk from village to village spreading the world news and all entertaining stories. They were seating behind kitchen/dining table surrounded with adults and kids. I can only imagine they were inspiring people about opportunities in New York with the same faith as talking about old local heroes, getting fortune or loosing power by someone. Verbal contact among people, talking and talking is element tying community together.
I could probably find some parallel about storytellers in Polish history. Territory of Poland was never such homogenic like Ireland in its past. It was more multinational and socially divided, with all its positives and negatives. Variety of opinions and life styles were influencing art. From the first sight you can get the visual aesthetic surface only, which is similar to art of the other European countries. In art of Poland, I think, is more important not how it looks like, but what this art is saying, the message, the intellectual contain.
As example, personally I appreciate art of Tadeusz Kantor. There is museum of his art and theatre plays in Cracow, designed by one of my colleague. Kantor's art is quite gloomy, but intellectually very deep. He was kind of Beckett like regarding modern theatre in Poland. Museum of his art is expressive in the same way as Kantor's philosophy. The modern minimalist overscaled structure is covering the normal old building made of brick and its chimney. Please take a look:
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Even Kantor's titles of theatre plays are introducing of storytelling:
Let the Artists Die
I Shall Never Return
Today is my Birthday
I saw one of his plays in Cracow. Kantor as an author was on stage all the time, taking apart in play, changing details, conducting actors, moving artifacts ... yes, it was modern theatre...
Ralph Steadman is fantastic! Thank you for this! He use in his drawings splashes and scribbles in very modern way. Very Inspiring.
Architectural designing process is quite different from the pleasure of funny sketching. There is additional aspect of functionality, all experience of how dimensions works in ergonomic relations. Interior architectural drawing is the language of communication with builder, joiner, manufacturer. It is clear information. Process of drawing is very combinatoric. Trying this and this, rotating, extending, moving. There are versions and analysis which one is the best.
In my work I do also interior sketches, which are linking CAD plans with three dimensional space. Hand sketches are made faster than 3d modelling on computer. I use also programmes like Sketchup or 3DMax for keeping control on dimensions. Sketches however are very handy when I am trying various ideas and details.
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Its interesting how we circle back to the topic of landlocked territory (Poland) and an Island country (Ireland) and how that topographical fact has such an influence on both lands’ artistic forms. Being an islander so to speak its something that I have never really contemplated in such terms before. I’m a big fan of the bleakness of Beckett. I think it’s the reductionism that appeals to me. In that spirit I really enjoy looking at your interior sketches. While I appreciate what you are saying about the necessity of the drawings functionalism i.e. it must convey statistical information to builders and fitters etc. I can’t help but appreciate the beauty of the delicate rendering technique that you employ. They have the quality of being stills from an animated movie, I keep expecting to see a continuous line figure to walk into the rooms through one of those doors. Your drawings are very beautiful and have great merit in and of themselves. Are they pen and ink, pencil and watercolor or digital in origin?
Have you ever thought of painting to see what happens?
PS: I’m including a digital Minion I drew for fun and partially to demonstrate my fond penchant for digital painting. I did it in Gimp.
Single eye Minions are great! However Cyclopes eye doesn't allow to see three dimensional space. The feeling of distance and scale is distorted with single eye. Do you remember Mike Wazowski from Monsters?
The sketches are done in quite simple way. I use printed two dimensional elevation made in AutoCad. With tracing paper and pencil I draw perspective with one or two focal points. Using copy machine on white paper I put grey shade with Promarker, at the end scanning and is done. I did some colour drawings but for most of clients grey works better. At the stage for signing off design ideas for QS or manufacturer quotation the monochrome drawing is good enough. Client is charged by hours of my work, so colour is not necessary and sometimes can confuse fussy client, making decision process bit too long.
I know that recently as well as acting as the designer you have also donned the cap of construction worker on your latest project at the back of your own house. As you know I am currently residing in Japan where new houses are erected at an astonishing rapid rate. I see new houses being constructed inside a couple of weeks with the main structure being put together often over a weekend. Houses here are timber framed and of course earthquake proofed.
I know that in Ireland most houses are built with concrete blocks with the exception recently of steel frame and glass. Was there any particular reason that you opted for timber frame in your back-yard construction and could you talk a little about the experience of hands on construction by yourself. Has the physical effort in construction altered your mindset in any interesting way?
Such a beautiful example of wooden structure on your photo! I can imagine you have wide know how in various areas thanks to living in Japan.
Fast build prefab house construction is increasingly popular and demanded in Ireland. All because of housing crisis, limited supply and galloping demand, exorbitant rental prices, credit limits especially for young people, increasing percentage of homeless, no enough social houses. Wooden technologies here are originated from Canada, Norway, and also there are some innovative and locally developed.
In my case the access to the back of house is limited, and possible only through the 90 cm wide corridor from the front. There is no lane way or path from the back and my home is in the middle of terraced building. I've decided to use limited financial resources, without loans, and my own design as prototype. The construction companies I applied were very occupied with more lucrative or simpler standard tasks. In effect I have developed technology that allows to organize delivery from the front house and move all materials through the narrow corridor on my own. I've commissioned to other firm only to make poured foundation concrete slab, which for I personally prepared hardened ground, insulation 20 cm base and reinforcement. The concrete was pumped with using special crane providing pipe above the roof. I do not use heavy equipment to do the rest of work. To hold or lift something I ask my wife or neighbor. I carried the window glass sheet weighing 150 kg together with lovely neighbor and his cousins. Standard wooden planks or battens are 4.8 m long, I carried through the front house by my own. I am doing this work mostly during the weekends which is good exercise and fun. There is no time pressure, however the weather factor needs to be monitored all the time. I know the wooden structure is not for eternity, but from other hand, it can be easily converted or dismantled.
Ha ha, your description of the housing shortage/crisis in Ireland sounds like the 10 plagues of Egypt- blood, frogs, lice, flies, pestilence, boils, hail, locusts, darkness, death and now lack of shelter.
Your building project at the back of your house sounds inspirational, frankly. I love the idea that all the materials had to be carried through your narrow hallway by hand. It brings the whole operation don’t to a charming human scale again. It sounds like something other people with limited resources could emulate. You should write a blog about it!
On a totally different subject I am wondering what you are reading these days? For some inexplicable reason I have decided to reread George Orwell’s “1984” and Charles Dickens “A Christmas Carrol”. What they could possibly have in common I do not know. I remember you telling me at one stage that you were interested in studying Hebrew. Did you follow up on that?
Thank you for your illustration. That's exactly what happens :) By the way, this graphic reminds me my childhood, and religion lessons. Kids as homework were getting black & white copies of religious images, made in clean line, to colour them at home. From the distance of time I don't find this such useless. There was always opportunity for more creative kid to make Jesus as African or colour some cool clothes to Judas after he got some money.
I am not blogging because limitation of time. As you know I work in office daily basis, and domestic building consumes my spare time. I will do photographic presentation about working process on this building, in case of future potential ideas... but first the building must be completed.
I know what you mean about the books. I went through the same mood a few months ago. Do you have Netflix in Japan? there is available series called 'Dickensian' which as plot use a mixture of few books and presenting the main characters created by Charles Dickens. Regarding Orwell, there is funny movie done by someone from Monty Python team titled 'Brazil' based on 1984 book. Looking at my problems with execution of undelivered items already paid online, I think we can't avoid 1984.
I am reading now ''Sensation and perception'' by Gregory & Colman. This is just a popular science short book, regarding some theories about human senses. I am starting now ''Poniemieckie'' by Karolina Kuszyk, which means ... it is specific word... left after Germans. I've read few fragments and narration provides through personal stories of Germans and Poles regarding buildings, artifacts and broken cultural contain left when one vibrant community were replaced by completely new and different community of Poles, by geopolitical decision of Stalin, Churchill and Roosevelt. My father family were displaced. Spending holiday time in a house of my grandparents, with excitement I was discovering German artifacts, signs, books. It is the same with Hebrew language. In the city of grandparents from mother side, where I was born, when I was kid I were visiting devastated Jewish cemetery. I was always trying to understand why nobody cares. By the way. My grandfather before 2nd WW had the house in the district where later was created ghetto. Fortunately sold this and moved with family to the new built place in suburbia. Lucky man... in some sense. I learned what is written on matzevah - Jewish headstones. Cemetery is organized now, and many things turned by 180 degrees since I was kid.
Wow, thank you so much for telling me about the Dickens series, I’m dying to start watching tonight, you have just made my day. I remember seeing that movie Brazil back in the eighties and being really taken by it. By the way George Orwell wrote a great essay about Mahatma Gandhi. You can read it [LINK]here,
I’m a fan of both men.
I didn’t know that about your family, with your grandparents being displaced and your other grandfathers house having been in the ghetto. I keep coming back to reading WW2 history with fascination and horror. So many stories of cruelty and heroism, it makes me feel very strange about being human. Who are the good and the bad guys? In a sense we all are both which makes me feel even more despondent and ashamed at times. Personally, I feel so lucky to have been arbitrarily born into the relatively benign circumstances that I have. It could so easily have been different especially if I consider some of the more grotesque possibilities like for example been born as a tapeworm in some Nazis intestine. Sorry for the ridiculous joke but I am just trying to illustrate how absurd life or simply being a self-conscious sentient creature is.
Do you ever feel similar? I find it so difficult to articulate just how astonishing finding oneself in such a state (i.e. alive), actually is! I think that the creative drive for me at least is to try and produce some kind of adequate response to this existential state of affairs. I feel that urge all the time, I’m wondering do you feel similar? Apologies in advance for my esoteric tumble into the metaphysical………………ha, ha!
I know, I know. Thoughts regarding human condition are easy when we are placing the man in a big and awful digestive system, ..as quick as we can imagine the same man in a nicer environment. We are always very nice whatever the other people think :) Look at Father Ted...
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Changing a topic little bit, Michelle won today the competition for student project re. carbon footprint social engagement, which was organised by ESB. look at some of her graphics :)
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I’m not sure about the niceness theory of people. I know what you are getting at but I think the nasty stuff can just as easily be generated by the nice people who adopt attitudes (with very real consequences) that serve selfish needs. To be truly nice, people need to be ever vigilant about curbing their darker self-centered aspirations. Its like the butterfly effect, one tiny selfish thought can ignite a holocaust if enough people think it.
Anyway, enough of that. I know how proud you are of your children and especially in this case Michelle your daughter. I first met her when she was ten and now she is a young woman already making somewhat of a significant impact on the world around her.
When I was younger I thought having children was just too much of a burden to handle. However, I did kind of envy you when I met your daughter because I could see so much potential in her given her intelligence and creativity. I loved the beautiful chemistry between both of you. Little did I know then that at the age of 56 I was about to have my own first child who is also a beautiful daughter. Recently I was reading up on David Bowie who at the age of 50 had a daughter. It is very clear from interviews with him how much of a positive impact she had on his life. I could identify with him. When one is ready for it, raising children is just about the most magical experience one can have. I am sure you agree. I would love to hear some of your insights on being a proud dad. For me its simply having conversations with my little girl and enjoying watching her progressively comprehending the world about her.
I read somewhere that a child owes their parents nothing, while a parent owes their child everything. I think that sums it up for me.
Congratulations to Michelle for winning the competition and I love her devious psychologically manipulative approach, make them think that your idea is their idea, very clever!
Thank you David for sharing such beautiful words about father daughter relation. Yes, it is good to live with the closest young people and treat them as independent human beings, with their autonomous experience, as they are growing in different time and cultural factors than their parents. I learn from kids as much, or maybe more, than they learnt from me. I have 26 years long experience of being dad for my two kids. On the beginning some issues with health, when kids went to school some tiny dramas with social interactions, conflict with aggressive schoolboy, self acceptance, girlfriend break up... and for the balance uncountable amount of good time and successes. At the end of the day they are both the winners.
When I hear on the radio about parents living with four kids in single room, with no access to cooking facilities, that is wrong.
I love your story of being father in unconventional age, far away in Japan. How lucky we are, and in how unequal the world of others is sometimes.
Perhaps this would be a good time to wrap up and let our ArtProcess readers have a look at our musings. Before I go I would like to ask you one last question. As you very well know about me Richard, because I am a recovering Irish Lapsed Catholic I am somewhat obsessed with the question of how to address the question of a divine creator. Although I don’t believe in his/its existence I do find myself addressing him/it in my mind all the time. I must add that it s me usually admonishing him/it for being the ubiquitous psycho creator that he/it must be to enslave us all in this deterministic universe that it made.
If you somehow found yourself confronting such a creator would you have anything to say to it?
Hahaha! That's funny question! I am not a believer at all. As an observer of reality, I am considering this fact only, as some cultural traditions still follow of the idea of Creator. This common imagine is functioning among major part of population. If I would have a chance to confront my ego with Jewish or Christian Creator, all what I would say would be an absurd projection of my ego needs. I would rather expect him to be mute, ... for his good, as everything he have said, would be used against him :)
Ha ha, I love your caution:
“Anything you say can and will be used against you “, brilliant!
However, I won’t apply the same caution to your interview here. Thanks Richard for a most entertaining and enlightening exchange and have a very Merry Christmas.
Thank you David, Have a great time on Christmas with all people you love!
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